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Old 04-30-2008, 04:30 PM   #1
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Honda has finished thier fuel-cell prototype car and will start leasing them to the public in southern california this year.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

the technology behind that is amazing... it produces electricity without combustion, only emits heat and water vapor.

But the really cool thing... since Honda is a Japanese company, the greedy oil-based american politicians cant stop them, and Honda is big enough that the Oil Company Mafias cant scare them off.
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:31 PM   #2
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only thing the website doesnt mention, is how much it costs to refill the hydrogen tank.

Honda is also working on a unit that can refill the car in your garage, and also provide power for your home. Now thats really fuckin cool.
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:34 PM   #3
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City of LV had one about 4 years ago. I don't know if they still do or not. It was on loan to them. They were using a fill station down the road from you Will. I haven't been by there to look lately but that was the big silver bubble.
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:34 PM   #4
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I want a home-power unit so I can tell Nevada Power to go get fucked...
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City of LV had one about 4 years ago. I don't know if they still do or not. It was on loan to them. They were using a fill station down the road from you Will. I haven't been by there to look lately but that was the big silver bubble.
this one is all new, its doesnt burn the hydrogen to power a piston engine, it uses a reaction to make electricity
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wow cool.
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:42 PM   #7
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would be really cool to have a motorcycle using this technology
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Yeah but look at the possibilities like you said...tell NPC to go f off you've got your own reactor...
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:58 PM   #9
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Yeah but look at the possibilities like you said...tell NPC to go f off you've got your own reactor...
that excites me more than anything, I spend alot more per month on my electric bill than I do for gas in my 6200lb, 4x4 truck

working at home does have some disadvantages
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Yeah but look at the possibilities like you said...tell NPC to go f off you've got your own reactor...
Even better...
Sell excess power back to Nevada Power (like they currently do with solar powered homes).
Have them pay you to supply them with power.
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Old 04-30-2008, 05:06 PM   #11
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I just got cox to reduce my business internet from $170 per month to $75 per month (new contract) so thats a savings of $900 a year I can put towards the purchase of my new Honda Reactor

plus its a Honda so it will look cool in the garage next to my bikes
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I just got cox to reduce my business internet from $170 per month to $75 per month (new contract)
Thats on a business contract right ?
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Thats on a business contract right ?
yes

forgot to mention the free speed increase from 10M/1M to 12M/1.5M
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But the really cool thing... since Honda is a Japanese company, the greedy oil-based american politicians cant stop them, and Honda is big enough that the Oil Company Mafias cant scare them off.
Unfortunately, most of the hydrogen available in this country comes from natural gas, which is controlled by the oil mafia.
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I really like this, I hope they pick vegas to expand to very soon, I sure would like to know how much the fill is gonna be on the car though.
 
 
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Unfortunately, most of the hydrogen available in this country comes from natural gas, which is controlled by the oil mafia.
Yes and no... its easier and cleaner to convert it from water. Converting natural gas to hydrogen still puts out CO2 which is kind of defeating the purpose of using hydrogen in the first place.
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Unfortunately, most of the hydrogen available in this country comes from natural gas, which is controlled by the oil mafia.
Tru dat!
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We need this stuff sooner rather than later. Demand needs to drop big time before they start coming down on the gas prices. BTW...why is E85 gas still $3.35 a gallon if it is only 15% gas? The rest is government subsidized (corn) ethanol. Shouldn't E85 be $1.75 gallon?
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Yes and no... its easier and cleaner to convert it from water. Converting natural gas to hydrogen still puts out CO2 which is kind of defeating the purpose of using hydrogen in the first place.
Cleaner, yes... easier, no. Almost all of the hydrogen in this country comes from natural gas. It's much easier and cheaper to strip hydrogen out of natural gas than to get it from electrolysis. In fact, electrolysis is an energy looser. It takes more energy to break apart the water than what is created when the hydrogen is used in a fuel cell. The only way to make an economic case for hydrogen power is to run out of petroleum. I've seen estimates that oil would have to reach $300 a barrel before hydrogen became economically feasible.

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We need this stuff sooner rather than later. Demand needs to drop big time before they start coming down on the gas prices. BTW...why is E85 gas still $3.35 a gallon if it is only 15% gas? The rest is government subsidized (corn) ethanol. Shouldn't E85 be $1.75 gallon?
Due to a worldwide corn shortage (and other grains... Costco is now limiting the amount of rice you can buy), ethanol is very expensive. If we didn't have the subsidies, E85 would be double the price of gas. This is why I've been anti-E85 for years. E85 is also another negative gain fuel. It's takes more energy to make a gallon of ethanol than it takes to make a gallon of gas.

Without government subsidies (which we pay for anyways), there are no "alternative fuels" that make economic sense right now. Sure, the greenies want to use bio-fuels because petroleum is dirty, but are they gonna pay for it? I know I don't want to. Oil's gonna have to go to $300/barrel before bio-fuel becomes attractive. Even then, who do you think is going to manufacture and distribute it... the Oil Mafia, that's who.
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