Help with pants for safety event at Creech AFB

vegasvideo · 03-09-2009, 03:04 PM

Lee Parks is doing his Advanced Riding course for the guys at Creech air force base by indian springs Friday and Saturday. The base is paying for the guys to go through the course.

Problem 1 300 riders only 36 positions available, so they have to do a lottery. We don't yet know who is taking the class yet.

Problem #2 (bigger one) Many of the guys don't have the required riding pants to take the class.

We are looking for loaners for the guys who take the class.

What they need to have are either riding jeans (ICON, Draggin Jeans etc.) textile riding pants, or even Chaps over regular Jeans.

Anything you could do?

Please PM me if you can help...thanks!

Jimmy (Spooby) I need you help coordinating this

Aiki Boy · 03-09-2009, 03:46 PM

I've got a pair of heavily soiled underwear you can give to Lee.

ars0n750 · 03-09-2009, 04:06 PM

I have an extra, large mesh jacket with padding. but thats bout it!

vegasvideo · 03-09-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aiki Boy

I've got a pair of heavily soiled underwear you can give to Lee.

You can deliver those yourself, I taint touchin' them!

vegasvideo · 03-09-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ars0n750

I have an extra, large mesh jacket with padding. but thats bout it!

I think pants are the main concern, but thanks Arson

toddulu · 03-09-2009, 04:48 PM

I'd be happy to loan some of the pants I have, but first I don't think they allow people in the military that have an ass as fat as mine and 2nd if they were to get damaged would they get replaced?

vegaseric · 03-09-2009, 06:47 PM

I've got a pair of Joe Rocker textile overpants, size Large that I can offer. Let me know how I can get these to you.

VEGASRIDER · 03-09-2009, 07:53 PM

Don't really want to sound selfish or rude, but if a rider doesn't take on the responsiblity of owning a pair of proper riding pants which is a part of essential riding gear, he or she has no business taking the class.

Spooby · 03-09-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGASRIDER

Don't really want to sound selfish or rude, but if a rider doesn't take on the responsiblity of owning a pair of proper riding pants which is a part of essential riding gear, he or she has no business taking the class.

Vegasrider I do agree with wearing the proper gear, but these pants are not required to get on base/take the mandatory MSF Basic Rider Course/or required to be worn as per Nevada state law....

So why would your average joe go out and buy them? Simple answer is they wouldn't, the average NEW rider is usually concerned about going fast, and looking good doing it (flashy jacket, gloves, and a helmet) Personal safety is usually not Number 1 on their list when purchasing a new bike, which is extremely sad.

Plus everyone who entered the "Lottery" was unaware of the pants requirements prior to being notified of their win. They found out today [09MAR09] if they won or not and they were also notified that they would need....X....Y....Z.....gear to be worn.

Rant off....just felt like putting my .02 in, now I look like this ~~~~>

Spooby · 03-09-2009, 10:02 PM

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One on Rancho, the other in Henderson off boulder hwy

vegasvideo · 03-09-2009, 10:19 PM

The idea is to educate these guys and make them understand the importance of the proper gear and riding skill. Basically Squids to Responsible riders. It may require that some of us sacrifice a little in hopes that we steer some folks in the right direction.

This is precisely in Line with SCS's core values and the purpose for MARS. Don't pre-judge them. There is a good chance that by going through this course they may change their mind set.

vegasvideo · 03-09-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGASRIDER

Don't really want to sound selfish or rude, but if a rider doesn't take on the responsiblity of owning a pair of proper riding pants which is a part of essential riding gear, he or she has no business taking the class.

Isn't this exactly why they should be taking the class?

VEGASRIDER · 03-09-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooby

Vegasrider I do agree with wearing the proper gear, but these pants are not required to get on base/take the mandatory MSF Basic Rider Course/or required to be worn as per Nevada state law....

So why would your average joe go out and buy them? Simple answer is they wouldn't, the average NEW rider is usually concerned about going fast, and looking good doing it (flashy jacket, gloves, and a helmet) Personal safety is usually not Number 1 on their list when purchasing a new bike, which is extremely sad.

Rant off....just felt like putting my .02 in, now I look like this ~~~~>

Even though I have never taken a MSF course, I know that it only involves slow speeds in an enclosed Range, so I can understand riding pants to be non essential for that particular type of riding. But if you take riding serious, in which any Lee Parks classes are, you should already own a pair, whether you wear them everyday or not. I'm just anal when it comes to gear, I was just shocked that so many riders didn't have 'em.

This is an advance riding class for serious riders who are looking to improve their knowledge, skills and abilities from a Pro, it's not for Newbies. So should a experienced rider be surprised that he needs riding pants? No different than a track day.

VEGASRIDER · 03-10-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by vegasvideo

The idea is to educate these guys and make them understand the importance of the proper gear and riding skill. Basically Squids to Responsible riders. It may require that some of us sacrifice a little in hopes that we steer some folks in the right direction.

This is precisely in Line with SCS's core values and the purpose for MARS. Don't pre-judge them. There is a good chance that by going through this course they may change their mind set.

Never, once a squid, always a squid. I say that because you get so use to your normal riding attire, putting on any additional gear will seem restrictive, uncomfortable, too hot, etc. It's the same thing for me, but just for the opposite reasons. I feel naked without my full riding gear, wearing anything less I feel strange. I will not ride without it. Also it takes great decipline to put on full gear every single day, even if you are going to the corner store when it's 115 degree, I don't think anybody does on this forum, besides myself. It's amazing, if you go to western Europe, like Germany, France, and England. Just about every motorcyclist is in full gear.

BlueRider7o2 · 03-10-2009, 12:55 AM

Ok girls, your both right in some regards. Pat your absolutely correct in that this is in line with our clubs core values and something all of us should help with if we can. Vegasrider your correct IMHO that this is an advanced/intermediate class and riders ready for such a class should already own or be able to go buy what they need to take it. So lets all just get along.

vegaseric · 03-10-2009, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGASRIDER

Never, once a squid, always a squid. I say that because you get so use to your normal riding attire, putting on any additional gear will seem restrictive, uncomfortable, too hot, etc. It's the same thing for me, but just for the opposite reasons. I feel naked without my full riding gear, wearing anything less I feel strange. I will not ride without it. Also it takes great decipline to put on full gear every single day, even if you are going to the corner store when it's 115 degree, I don't think anybody does on this forum, besides myself. It's amazing, if you go to western Europe, like Germany, France, and England. Just about every motorcyclist is in full gear.

I wouldn't quite state "once a squid. always a squid" since I've known several riders who have stepped up their gear game simply after participating in SCS/MARS rides and events. And I would not automatically categorize a rider as a squid just because the rider does not own a dedicated pair of riding pants. Taking the small steps towards "gear enlightenment" are what gives us safer riders. Rider education, such as a course like the ARC will help this effort.

2upFZ1 · 03-10-2009, 07:07 AM

I believe that if you are skilled enough and looking to take an "Advanced Riding Course", moto-specific pants should be in your paddock already.

VEGASRIDER · 03-10-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 2upFZ1

I believe that if you are skilled enough and looking to take an "Advanced Riding Course", moto-specific pants should be in your paddock already.

EXACTY! This is the point that I was trying to get across.

If a rider on their own initiative already had the proper gear before the course they would probably benefit more than someone who didn't simply because of the riders mindset

And for those riders who are lucky enough to get in, look at the money you are saving by not having to pay for the course. No need to go borrow pants, use the money saved and go buy some riding pants or riding jeans.

I understand that riding gear is up to the rider, and certainly they have every right to choose what level of risk they are willing to take in the event that they ever go down. Afterall, it's their body.

SynCitizen · 03-10-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGASRIDER

Never, once a squid, always a squid. I say that because you get so use to your normal riding attire, putting on any additional gear will seem restrictive, uncomfortable, too hot, etc. It's the same thing for me, but just for the opposite reasons. I feel naked without my full riding gear, wearing anything less I feel strange. I will not ride without it. Also it takes great decipline to put on full gear every single day, even if you are going to the corner store when it's 115 degree, I don't think anybody does on this forum, besides myself. It's amazing, if you go to western Europe, like Germany, France, and England. Just about every motorcyclist is in full gear.

I disagree absolutely.
I rode around in shorts and a t-shirt during the summer for more than 2 decades. It was Gleno in particular that encouraged me to gear up for the ride. Every ride. I in turn, try to pass onto others the same mentality to gear up for the crash instead of the ride.
To make your assumption is very narrow minded and without and basis.

vegaseric · 03-10-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGASRIDER

EXACTY! This is the point that I was trying to get across.

If a rider on their own initiative already had the proper gear before the course they would probably benefit more than someone who didn't simply because of the riders mindset

And for those riders who are lucky enough to get in, look at the money you are saving by not having to pay for the course. No need to go borrow pants, use the money saved and go buy some riding pants or riding jeans.

I understand that riding gear is up to the rider, and certainly they have every right to choose what level of risk they are willing to take in the event that they ever go down. Afterall, it's their body.

And that is your opinion... and your point has been made. But this thread is for the purpose of securing pants for those participating in this class. Let's save our banter for another thread.

Aiki Boy · 03-10-2009, 10:17 AM

Maybe talk to CG and see if you can get a discount for these riders. It seems like many riders are unwilling to give up their expensive gear for riders they don't know. In my opinion, loaning your gear to riders you don't know is right up there with loaning a stranger your bike, ain't gonna happen.

P.S. Might want to let them know about knee pucks also, cause if they get close to draggin during the course, their only option is to buy them from Lee at I believe around $100.00

VEGASRIDER · 03-10-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SynCitizen

I disagree absolutely.
I rode around in shorts and a t-shirt during the summer for more than 2 decades. It was Gleno in particular that encouraged me to gear up for the ride. Every ride. I in turn, try to pass onto others the same mentality to gear up for the crash instead of the ride.
To make your assumption is very narrow minded and without and basis.

Without basis is correct, just from my observation. Proving me wrong is a good thing from what you say about yourself about gear and every ride, I give great Kudos to you

You are definately one of the minority and the first for me.

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Originally Posted by vegaseric

And that is your opinion... and your point has been made. But this thread is for the purpose of securing pants for those participating in this class. Let's save our banter for another thread.

Okay everyone, now go buy some pants. I say that because proper gear is also proper fitting gear. Not sure how well borrowing other peoples pants will fit you, but you might get lucky, but from my personal experience, I find that pants are one of the toughest safety gear to find that will properly fit me.

vegasvideo · 03-10-2009, 02:42 PM

I am setting up a discount deal as I type. Greg gets back into town at 6:30, so I will talk to him tonight. He e-mailed me about doing a 15% discount for them.

If you guys have pants, just bring them. I am getting a list of sizes from the safety officer later today. I will get the pants back to you. Just do me a favor, write your initials on the inside of the pants. On a label or something.

One more thing...PLEASE...no more commentary on whether or not you think they should already have pants. We know they should, as should everyone. That is not the purpose of this thread.

The base is paying for this course, not the riders. Our purpose here is to help, not to judge! Let's keep this thread on topic PLEASE!

Spooby · 03-10-2009, 03:51 PM

Pat what's your number? I'm going to cycle gear before the meeting tonight, or tomorrow and looks like I"m getting some frank thomas pants.....just got "the call"

03-10-2009, 10:17 AM	#21
Aiki Boy Superbike Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Spring Valley Posts: 443 I Ride: zx 636	Maybe talk to CG and see if you can get a discount for these riders. It seems like many riders are unwilling to give up their expensive gear for riders they don't know. In my opinion, loaning your gear to riders you don't know is right up there with loaning a stranger your bike, ain't gonna happen. P.S. Might want to let them know about knee pucks also, cause if they get close to draggin during the course, their only option is to buy them from Lee at I believe around $100.00 Last edited by Aiki Boy; 03-10-2009 at 10:19 AM.

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03-09-2009, 03:46 PM	#2
Aiki Boy Superbike Racer Joined: Apr 2007 From: Spring Valley Posts: 443 I Ride: zx 636	I've got a pair of heavily soiled underwear you can give to Lee.