Haha… got you in this one… the 190/55-17 puts a larger contact patch on the ground that the 50 series…. Remember is a donut and the second number means this tire's sidewall height is 55% of the cross section width. Width remains the same but not the contact area. Quote from Magazine motorcycle-USA:

... Kawi defied convention by fitting a 190/55-17 rear donut instead of the 50-series rubber that is common on current literbikes, theoretically putting a larger contact patch on the ground when leaned over and perhaps making steering transitions a bit easier...

Besides people to race on the safe side take PSI from the rear tire they don’t increase the pressure... an old track guy like you should know.

Ref: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ID=2940&Page=1

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Go back over my post you quotes and please tell me what is incorrect? The 190/55/17 series is TALLER and has THE SAME WIDTH as the 190/50/17. I know it has a larger contact patch, this size of tire has been available for some time now.

Now your talking about tire pressures? I know we've already crapped on this thread pretty good, but you lost me now.

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Eric you are correct I run the 190/60/17 on my track bike. I'm not sure what this whole topic is about but Rick are you saying a bigger bike will make you a better or faster rider?

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I'm not sure what it was about either.

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Quote to myself:
Quote to you:
100% wrong but as you said no time to explain friction and other…

Quote to you:
Wrong skinnier tires are faster going straight only

Try this experiment:
Back to bicycles…. Get your bike and put 1 3/8 tires and going straight is effortless… don’t turn hard.. you fall…

Now get fat tires 1.75… is hard to going straight since lots of the energy goes into friction now if you turn and that friction helps contrarest the centrifugal force and turns faster.

Now the new tire has a large contact patch as you leaned your bike… Ok? Try to go too skinny on the rear tire and you gonna turn with your leather and your helmet… get fatter and turn fordless… is more friction against centrifugal force.

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This is a funny question… faster and better are not synonymous… choose one and I give you your answer!

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Fast, once you answer that then answer Better

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Actually in case that you don’t remember topic remain the same: Josh says that he likes the Zook600 and I told ‘em don’t buy it ‘cause I doesn’t have the best performance of the bunch.

Then Eric says to buy the pretty one cause:
And I said no way cause:
Then he explained the reason behind:
Then I expressed my disappointed about his performance (BTW Wife really good rider)… and he started talking about the tires and mistaken them like you can switch your skinny front tire for the fat rear one and be faster…. Hahaha

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If the bike is bigger (in force not in size or weight) and the bike is better (because geometry and weigh distribution, stability) you gonna be faster than yourself in a smaller (less power) and comfy (worst geometry, stability and worst weight distribution) bike.

Resuming you are faster using a sportbike that a 50cc scooter.

The Rider remains the same so he is not gonna be better at this point.

Side Note:
Having the Best technology and training this rider will improve faster his competitive level that a rider with a bad hardware. But you know that since I see you buying hardware to make your skills improve otherwise you will be racing 50cc scooters that are cheaper. Right now I know you have a 600cc and you gonna stay there until you are ready to go to 1000cc. But if at that point that you are ready to go 1000cc; you don’t do it, don’t expect to be good at or win a superbike race it if never ridden one in a track before.

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So are you saying you would be faster on your 10R on a track then I would on a EX500?

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By the way how is that new 10R doing, have you takin it out for a ride yet?

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No I said that I will be faster on my 10R on the track than I (myself) would be in an EX-500. I think you gonna be faster in the 636 than yourself in a 600 Zook for that reason I recommended not to buy it.

I don’t think I’m faster than you (or anyone) in anyways, if anything is that I could learn from you since you are experienced track rider… now I kick your a$$ if I’m in my 636 and you in a 50cc scooter…

My ZX-10R is doing great, only has 110 miles since I’d been unable to ride it much. I’m more used now to the power delivery and the weight that I was before. I want to take my time and get used to it since I consider it a more dangerous the previous one. Also I’m searching online for the frame and swing arm slider that is not available yet, because I’m afraid to drop it and f*** up the frame or the swing arm in the process.

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Ok I see what your aying but beleive it or not you would learn a lot more and be a better, smoother and faster rider riding a 600 or even a 500 on the track.I have riden my 10R on the track many times and I can say that I am just as quick on my 2003 ZX-6RR the 600 not the 636 as I am on my 10R . Anyway lets go ride

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I’m gonna tell you some that may be is wrong but worked so far and is the why I don’t use an EX-500:
As I enter any curve apply the rear brake to put my front down hard and get ready for the turn, then I hang and counter-steer (I’m not knee dragger but Find easier to hang a little).
At this time I’m gonna be first or second gear at 10K-13K rmps so I relay heavily in throttle control and engine braking to perform the turn. As I past the slow turning part I increase speed and get in thirth gear. Now I do all that at the very end of my power band… I couldn’t do it in an EX-500… first gear only gives you 25 MPH and fifth gear no power hence no throttle control… how you do it?

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I highly doubt it. Unless you're really familiar with your new 10R, it will be much easier to ride the piss out of a smaller bike.

And when I was referring to the SV being a great bike to flog in the twisties, that was from my personal experience. My wife didn't ride it much and that's why it got sold. But I wish I still had that bike right about now. I'm bikeless.

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You need little, if any rear brake upon corner entry. You should have already shifted you weight by now. (butt cheek halfway off the seat, yada x 3)

Don't exaggerate the countersteering. Just look, press, and steady on the throttle.

By the time you apex, you should be steadily feeding in throttle as you straighten the bike up coming out of the turn. Engine braking should have only been used on entry. Also, keep in mind that the 10R HAS A SLIPPER CLUTCH. You will NOT be able to take advantage of engine braking. I've never ridden the EX, but I'm quite sure you can find the appropriate gear to negotiate a corner.

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I dont know how many of you have been to Freddie Spencers school...but he proves it isnt the bike. While your knee dragging, full speed in a corner...pushing the bike to its limits...freddie comes up and passes you on the outside in a VFR 800, and then turns around and tells you what your doing wrong...lol. And why are you guys arguing about 190 tires...they come stock on the bike...but any one who claimes to be a racer knows that you IMMEDIATLY take off the 190 stock tire, and go to a 180. They turn a little better. I know you are going to argue, and say your 190 is the best tire ever...but facts are facts...look at the starting paddock of the SuperBike class, and tell me who is racing on 190's...lol

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Some of you turn using the rear brake? OMG ... i hope to see you alive this summer! Take Spencers school before you hurt yourself...PLEASE!!!

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Hey if I don’t go to the school is not because I don’t like the idea… finances and priorities but still toying with the idea.
Now there is a reason why apply the rear brakes before entering the turn, the ZX-636 is prone to headshake if I don’t do it can’t get hot into the turn… is a quick touching of the brakes not turning and braking. I don’t brake in the turns unless absolutely necessary… could be disastrous!

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Even then though...I have not used my back brake on my zx7r...ever. I use front brake...ONLY. Freddies is expensive...but everyone says its worth it. I agree though...its VERY expensive

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Rear braking will set the front tire hard on the road and I use that momentum to turn. The rear brake doesn’t really brakes… Something I found out about rear brakes the hard way… if is locked let it be locked… if the bikes slides try to turn and keep it in the path… as soon as you release the rear brake or it gets traction back you will fly… is called high-slide. It will transmit that energy like a pendulum to the top of the bike… meaning you!

Something about tires, you must keep a balance between traction and speed… to use 180 tires you must be really good turning since traction will be on the loose. The fact that the new 55 series are giving a bigger patch while turning is a better bet for me.
This is a test I’m not gonna do since I extensively tried in bicycles… but you can try that yourself and see what’s better for you. Just if you get an 180 try to get really sticky tires…. Mister McCoy!!!
GO http://www.uponone.com/listvideos-tr...ewed-10-10.php and download the Gary McCoy video (4th video from top to bottom)

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I have had 190's...always hated them. They look good, but make it harder for me to get seriously lean. The 180 is the best one for me. Good luck with the back brake btw...I know what a high side is, but it can easily happen without the brake. The back brake is nothing but trouble if you ask me...lol. I am getting private lessons from Mad951, and he is teaching me about how to FRONT brake in the corner, not just before. He is teaching me how to get maximum lean and still front brake it safely. Damn that guy is amazing!

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I always used the rear in that fashion… (How correct it is, don’t know) also if front wheel goes up rear brake send its down. High slide happens in all two wheel vehicles, as soon as the rear wheel looses tractions and travels faster that the front wheel that is a warning to be ready.

I know he is quick, see him riding once (mad951)… and I saw the techniques that AMA uses and is way too much for me. (See them sliding the front wheel under hard braking, which contradicts my philosophy of getting out in one piece). Remember … I need to go to work… don’t make any money riding bikes.

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LOL...I am trying so hard to do it right...but it scares me so bad to think of the tores slidding. I think I will stick to my favorite sport...Skeleton (Kinda like the Luge, but face first on a bobsled track). Its fast...and you slide, and lean like on a bike...but for some reason...way more comfortable for me...lol

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The new GSXR 600's are in......just in case you were all wondering WTF this thread started out as.

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you guys are talking about trail braking (using the front brake while in a turn or entring a turn) Never use your rear brake in mid corner

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YES! THANK YOU!

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Sooooo, I hear the new sixxers are in the stores. Anyone seen them??

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Yup, I saw them the day Carter got them in. Very nice in person and feels nice and light. I wont one

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havent seen the new gsxr yet... but you can use the rear brake while in a turn to tighten up the line. but it is done easily on the left turn than the right. but you can stomp on it. i prefer using the front brake for some reason it just feels better. from a really long strait you can use the rear brake to help settle the bike prior to going into a turn. but be careful when downshifting and still on the brake the back end wants to slide on entry (cool but mite hurt)

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Yeah!! They are pretty cool for a suzuki. What kind of tires though 190s or 195s? Lol Sorry guys! Just Kidding I'm in that kind of mood today. Lol

Hum the only ZXers I know are from Kawasaki…. What’s up aki what has you in the mood?

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