Had to go pick up a few parts for the ZX-6RR at Carter and when I got there they had just brought out the new Gixxer 600 onto the floor. Very nice in person, left light and you sit down in it like the 1000. Would make a very nice track bike

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Just ordered one from Mikes guy...so excited!!

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EEUUUHHHH!!!! IIIICCCHHH!!!! Should've got the 636 like a real man.

You're a man after my own heart on this one, Tom.

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Its for the girlfriend...does that mean she isnt a real man?

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It does unless she looks like this mkay --->

Ah!! You are soooo sweet, plus you ride a great bike.

ZX-636 rules... nuff said!

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Then why did you sell it? Beotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not because is a bad bike, … 636 is the best super-sport right now. The R6 is getting really god reviews but doesn’t have the power of a 636. Every time I see a Zook600 has a squid on top.

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Haskovec, Eslick and Spies are squids? Wow...I didnt know that

I like the zx 6rr...Its a great looking bike. My track bike is a 2001 zx6r, but after this season I am going to buy a 2007 for next year...

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who's returning they're 06 R6 because it doesn't rev out to 17.5K?

http://www.triumph675.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=695

Probably the same people who carry around a copy of their dyno chart to prove their bike is the "fastest". The R6 kicks ass even with the 16K redline. I guess after riding an ancient, carbed, 13.5K F4 for what seems like an eternity, a 16K redline seems pretty wicked.

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R’ you buying one?

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Nope, I'll still be riding the piss out of my old-ass F4. And I will probably add a Busa to the mix as well. But if I was in the market for a 600, the R6 would be at the top of my list...especially if the ergos are like the '03-'05 models.

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I had the idea of keeping the 600 and adding a 1000 but is too much money in insurance, maintenance, etc… can’t financially justify having two bikes. May be you gonna face the same dilemma, once you get used to “More Power/less effort” and to the added weight… chances of riding an F4 are nil.

That busa is perfect for touring; still F4 is best for commuting. But due you are an average fit person(non-Fat) I don’t see any advantage in a “1300cc + heavy busa” that a “light-1000cc-almost-same-power” bike will give you. Unless you wanna be comfy with high bars!

I had 3 Ninjas so far, so can’t leave without saying that a 04-06 ZX-10R is a better option all around, one will do both functions + bullet proof engines. LOL

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The advantages of the Busa are exactly what you state: comfort and tourability (I think I just made up a word) in a package that will be decent in the twisties. I dont particularly "need" 160 rwhp, but the fit is right for my 6'3" frame. But I love riding the old F4 since it is very reliable and it has decent power (100 rwhp) for a six year-old bike without providing the occassional ass-clenching moments a literbike will provide. If I were to get a literbike, I'd definitely look at the 04-present R1 or the 03-04 Gixxer. Great ergos (for a literbike) and enough HP to hang with the new bikes. I've ridden the 04 ZX-10R and the seating position is not my cup of tea. Otherwise, the Kwak is a great bike. Hell, they're ALL great bikes.

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Busas are great bikes , not the mecca of beautiful (my visual) but you are mistaken if you think that they will not provide you with ‘ass-clenching’ moments… I’d never ridden one but by the comments, THEY WILL ….at the same time; all is relative to the rider,… myself… I’m rethinking my way of riding… even do I went to 1Liter I’m hoping to change my riding habits … not survivability in the way I was doing plus I can’t afford tickets the should be on a teen’s record, not mine.
Well I really hope to see you in your Busa… I’m interested in seeing how much you it… so as soon as you get it give us the feed back.

Now I hope to see a new Busa (07) in response to the ZX-14. The ZX-14 has high bars as well but not reviews so far (I fallow close this model, I like it a lot).

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IMHO, the new gixer 6 is one of the best equipped stock 600's out there right now. Adjustable rearsets, stacked tranny, braided lines, all stock. The thing even sounds good for a stock pipe too. Looking forward to seeing some HP& torque numbers on it
Can't wait for the sevenfiddiys to come in.

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Wow, it sounds like the Gixxer comes with some nice toys. I'll have to swing by and check it out.

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I am getting the new Gixx 1000 06 for myself, but have ordered the new 06 gixxer 600 for my girl. I cant wait to ride her bike!! lol ...


btw... the zx14 is the ugliest machine built. Love the zx10...hate the 14...

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I need to see the ZX-14 in person, the old fashion pipes don’t look good but I’m ok with the front 4 headlights… the ZX-14 is not an ‘R’ model so is relaxed… I have a problem with bikes that turns… I like them carve.

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The Zook600 is a friendly bike, and I don’t know the ‘why’ but newbies love them… It doesn’t means that all GSRX600 riders are squids :)… means lots of people choose them as a starter bike. Is not a girlish looking bike ether but lots of females dig ‘em too. I’m sure a good rider can get a lot from it because is a wonderful machine.
The ZX-6R on the other side is praised because raw power and quick rev-up, once you are at the high end of the power band (10-15K) is difficult to keep your front tire down (buy steering damper because headshakes)… have you ever ask yourself why ZX-6R owner have the plastic all messed up?... Will wheelie like it or not, I blasted people in 1 wheel with bigger machines (got tickets in the process and have unwanted official testimonies) so is certainly not a bike for Medicare recipients.

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ALL of the 600s, even the "cheater" 636, are within fractions of a second in performance. They ALL rev up quick and have great power up top. The only reasons to buy one as opposed to the other are ergonomics and aesthetics. Unless you're Ben Spies, you won't be able to push the bike far enough to realize any of the differences anyway.

As everyone has already heard, NONE of the 600 Supersports are true starter bikes anyway.

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Come on Eric… not from you!
Disagree, not all bikes within same category give you same feedback. Not al bikes have the same geometry and carve the same… not all bikes have the same rear end traction and stability in the corners… zx-6r feels really light upfront but the rear sticks to the road good. ZX-6R motor makes the difference… like the previous post says fells turbine alike… it is.
But a person with the knowledge you have can’t say that ½ of a second in a race are several bikes lengths if you measure distance between bikes. If the bikes travel at 250km/h (155 miles/h) then the distance between bikes will be 70 meters in one second, 35 meters in ½ a second and 18 meters in ¼ of a second. (227 feet, 113 feet, 55 feet)… sorry fraction of seconds are big difference in performance.
I see that idea people of ‘don’t buy the best bike because you can’t benefit from its performance’. Yes you can, you gonna be faster yourself in a faster bike that yourself in a slow bike. If I buy a bike that I can dominate 100% what’s the point… so if Valentino Rossi gets 100% performance from his bike… what’s the point of competition. So you gonna be ¼ of second faster in your new powerful bike… well lets see if you race that is a big improvement… could means the difference between first and 5th place. Ah, you don’t care how fast your bike is… sorry… what’s the purpose of a sport-bike… buying groceries? … hey if I want power from my bike I want it right away… not tomorrow I want it yesterday.
I said starter but not from ‘0’, if you don’t know how to ride a bike you shouldn’t be thinking in a 600. A 600 rider is looking to learn counter steering and leaning the bike hard, is looking to lean how to exit a chicane and counter balance. You can’t learn that in a EX-500, and if you try to learn that in a 1000 cc you gonna be ‘wacked!’… myself I learn not to be stupid ‘cause it will highslide you in a fraction of a second… I lean to play safe. I don’t wanna be a racer, I wanna have a fast bike just because… and be alive.

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Now, I never stated that all of the bikes within the same category give you the same feedback. But MOST riders will not be able to extract the available performance out of a 600 Supersport where the minor differences become significant.

My reference to fractions of a second was regarding quarter-mile times and lap times. And neither of these factors are the only contributing factor in a race. Otherwise, you could just state that the fastest bike will win every race...and we know that is not true.

So the question is...what is the "best bike"? The one that some magazine tells you is the quickest in their tests? Or the one that has the best dyno sheet so you can win the impromptu penis measuring contest at the Overlook? If you're an average to intermediate rider, the "best" 600 (out of the Big Four) will be the one that you are the most comfortable on, not the one with the absolute best numbers. They are ALL fast!

I think Rossi proved that the bike is not necessarily the determining factor when it comes to winning races. The RC211V is a better all-around bike than the M1. But Rossi is a riding God, so it would be kinda hard for the competition to keep up with him. (even on a GoPed) I bet he could win a GP championship on the Suzuki.

OK, news flash...you can learn everything you speak of, and more, on a friggin scooter. I'm REALLY curious why you don't feel you can learn counter-steering and leaning the bike on a less-powerful ride like the EX-500? Matter of fact, I would venture to say that these less-powerful bikes provide a better platform to learn the basic skills (counter steering and leaning) than a full-on Supersport. My wifes old SV650 was a great bike to flog through the twisties...even as is moved around underneath you through the turns.

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I have read what your saying in Cycle World and Motorcyclist magazine. They all claim that the new 600's are so close, that you will never be able to tell a difference. They said in Cycle World, "Its finally time to pick a bike because you like the way it looks...not because its the top machine!"

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Huuummmm, The only squid I seen on a 636 was laying on the ground next to it at Red Rock a few weeks ago. lol

Please tell me your talking about the Blue one I saw crash...it was so funny...I felt so bad!

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No, I was busting Ricky's balls. lol. What happened with the blue one you saw?

If you never fallen from your bike, if you never experience a headshake, if you can’t put 1 up at the exit of a twist… YOU ARE NO RIDING HARD ENOUGH!
May be I’m not the best rider, but all can do all above including falling… now, is that wise at the overlook… NO!

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No… you didn’t see that right… blue 636 never goes down… and if it does… is because the side stand wasn’t deploy all the way…. Come guy… my bike was scratched all over! RED ROCKS!

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No there was another guy. An older guy I met at the overlook one day. He said he wanted to go throught the loop with me...but since it was his first time...I told him to go real slow, and take it easy with me. So anyway, he got bored about mile 4 and he decided to pass and go all out...so I am right behind him when he went off a steep edge... It took me and 2 other ridders to get his bike up the hill. Cagers wouldnt even stop and help. He was on a blue 636

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Learning counter steering is a scooter … Eric… come on… scooter are far more dangerous that bikes. Geometry isn’t there for that.
I ride ex-500 frequently (a close friend owns one), actually if I have a passenger that’s the bike I use… I can do thing with that bike that I would do with a dirt bike so light it feels; but racing those skinny tires inspire no confidence at all. I got my license in a EX-500 here in the states…. I rather enter a curve in a 2 gear 10K rmps in a supersport that killing myself in 5 gear in a EX-500… sorry if you try that is just nuts. As you exit you can tax the throttle in a supersport, nothing there in an EX-500. Are we living on the same planet or you try your 500cc in the moon? IF your wife is faster than you in a EX-500 (and you riding an 636) I’m really sorry for you . EX-500 turns… ZX-636 carves; I never heard such thing from an old rider.
Better bikes systematically provide better numbers if the riders are in the same league…

I never try to pass anyone at the overlook, even do some people turn so bad that I almost rear end ‘em… I just give them more room. Now I’m newer at the overlook thing that you are, and so far I can tell you is not safe for High speed.

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Rick, countersteering is the basic principle that ALL two-wheeled conveyences work on. Whether or not its a mountain bike, or a Hayabusa, you use countersteering to turn it. Geometry doesn't really have anything to do with it.

The whole premise of "EX-500 turns… ZX-636 carves" is ridiculous. Skinny tires? Look a the rear tire of an Aprilia RS250. Skinnier tires actually turn quicker than fat ones. Fatter tires are used on more powerful bikes help apply the power to the pavement, but I'm sure you know this. Put a halfway decent set of skins on the EX and it should be a bit more confidence inspiring for you.

Don't be too disappointed when someone on a much inferior bike with slightly better riding skills lays waste to you in the twisties.

This statement is pretty obvious. But what I'm trying to get across (and what DJLuxor pointed out as well), is that the 600 class is a toss-up performance-wise. I'll take the one that fits.

FYI, if you go on a group ride, you'll notice that the riders are grouped together by skill level, not type/cc of bike. It's all about the skillz.

Damn, all this talk about small bikes makes me miss my (wifes) SV that much more. That bike was a total blast.

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Haha… Ok… so you are saying that you are happy with an SV or EX… hey they are great bikes, I just don’t like to race ‘em… Now bicycles used to be my thing, I still own an allez specialized even do I don’t use it much anymore (just to keep in shape). As a teen I used to race ‘em, … comparing counter steering in a 700x23c or even better the old 27x1 ¾ to the contact patch in a S-bike is nuts… rear wheel helps steering. Geometry helps too; I can’t race in a 54 frame… I rather 56 to 60 and the caster need to be appropriated… are you willing to race without the right caster!? Ah… you think that 100 dollars bicycle will do what a 3k, 5k or 10K dollar bicycle will do for you? (Bicycles are more into turning that counter steering even do the process starts at about 5 miles/h)

Saying that I find motorcycle positions very relaxed, even the one in the new ZX-10R… I do see big differences in geometry and the way it carves, stiffness in the frame, and the way it keeps in contact with the road. So why you think the ZX-10r went from the 50 series to a 55 on the rear wheel if it doesn’t improve steering. Power wise the bike still the same.

Now I use to train every day in my training bicycle, exercise, weights… 4 hours a day minimum… who’s doing that with SBikes? …. Not that many people so I expect them to be as bad or a little better… but not big difference unless you are AMA with track time at your disposal. So If I want to race (that’s not my case) I want he best possible bike not because a magazine tells you, because you know what’s better for you… and power is on top of the list.

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Jesus!.... I need to get back to work!...

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OK, first off, my bicycle example was only to illustrate that every two wheeled vehicle (well, except a Segway) uses countersteering to turn. To turn a bike/scooter/motorcycle, you have to lean. To lean, you have to deflect the front tire in the opposite direction in which you want to go. ("countersteering") You can learn this on a bike, whether its a Litespeed or a Huffy. Period.

50 series to 55 series is a taller profile, not wider, so I'm not really sure where you're going with this. But, yes, the 55 series is used on the 10R to improve steering while keeping the same 190mm width to help put the power down. A lot of literbike riders have actually been fitting 180/55/17 size (skinnier) tires for the purpose of quicker turn-in, but the 190/55/17 is a better solution, especially on a 6.0" rim. I've even seen racers using a 190/60/17 size (even taller), which is supposed to be the hot setup now. I think Josh tried this size before his track mishap.

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What are two trying to prove??? Lighten guys, you both pee the same length. I certify this pissing contest a draw. LOL

No is not a pissing contest Aiki… just he’s trying to prove that differences in power are not important and difference in geometry are not either ‘cause they are too close for ‘us’ non good riders to take advantage… I put the example of bicycles ‘cause I’m more used to that and a reference sometimes I take as a mnemotechnic in relationship with motorcycle... the other hand Eric here is a little hard head … but he goes for facts and what he believes… I deeply enjoy seeing another point of view in his arguments… Sometimes he’s right (only seldom must admit ) like in the HP case and I conceded that he was right but not in this case… Power and geometry does make a big difference even at our level or riding. Sorry!

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