So who uses it and what does everyone think about it? I tried it before with an ok result, but tried it a little bit more in Utah this weekend and had some pretty smooth shifts. I still use the clutch though because it just doesn't seem right.

For those who don't know, its shifting without the clutch (duh). You put a little pressure upwards on the shifter. Let off the gas with the pressure still on the shifter and it will slide right into the next gear and back on then you can get back on the throttle right after. Takes a little practice to get good at it.

Discuss away and when it dies down, I'll move it to the FAQ section.

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Greggie

When I am on the strip it is the only way to shift.. On the street I only do it when I am feeling froggy..

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On the track and when riding hard in Jewtah i'll doing it or when I am lazy

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Josh
R6

Same here...I do it if I'm riding hard, but if I'm just "cruisin'" on the street, I'll usually use the clutch.

However, I don't ever downshift without using the clutch (yes, I actually know people that used to do it a lot! )

But I just think it's much faster to blip the throttle and shift than to reach out and grab the clutch with your fingers and still blip the throttle to shift. And, as you saw in Jewtah, I need every millisecond I can get.

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so.... is it unsafe to downshift (in a generally safe traffic situation) because I like to sit up straight and do this to a stop from 70+??

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At higher RPMs upshifting without a clutch is actually good for the bike...or so I read somewhere/was told by someone. On the track it is extremely effortless to upshift without the clutch and having the GP shift doesnt hurt . I always use the clutch for downshifting though...

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Manas

I use the cluthless upshift and it works great. As far as downshifting I always use the clutch. It would seem to me that it is safer to use the clutch on the downshift because by not using it you are forcing all the power onto your rear wheel instantly and could cause your wheel to lock up or buck, and if you are not ready for that the results could be dangerous especially going into a corner.....


Snappy

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Clutchless upshifts...most definitely. I am working on my rev-matching on my downshifts, so it's kinda hard to go clutchless on those.

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This seems to be an informative article on the subject.... To clutch or not to clutch

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Lesli

clutchlees up shift for , helps keep the rpms from droping to much while your in to it

Clutch . . . what clutch? I hardly ever use it for upshifting. In town or on the track. For the most part, my shifts are smoother clutchless then with the clutch. Or maybe I'm just lazy like some of you guys.

Sometimes, I even downshift clutchless. Now that takes some throttle massaging to do it smoothly!

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ya know Dyno jet makes a speed shifter now which connects to your PC III and shuts down your throttle for a nanu second to upshift only. Oh and you replace the shift rod with this new one that has a pressure sensor with the wire running to your PC. I have a couple of buds that have them and say they are very smooth.

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Can you do anyof that wit a smashed clutch.

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what do you mean? The lever is smashed?

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nO THE CLUTCH ITSELF IS "hULK sMASH".... oNE OF TE SPRING BOLT BACKED POUT AND CAUSED SOMEWHAT hell INREGARDS TO ME CLUTCH COVER..

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Josh
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At the strip or fooling around no clutch, but if just chillin I use the clutch. For me the harder i'm in the throttle the smoother the no clutch shift, I just let off for a brief sec, tip up a gear, and pin it!

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So, from what I'm reading, I should be using the clutch when I downshift?? Is it bad for the engine one way or the other, or just bad technique? I've always used the clutch to shift up, but I jerk more when I downshift using the clutch. This is street riding too though, I don't have the slightest clue how it works on the track, although I know it's a whole new set of skills.

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Damn, where's Siddhartha when you need him???

HAHA arent we becoming so lazy these days
I tried it several times, it feels good on upshifts but doesnt this seriously do something bad to the clutch and the plates?

no

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Nick - One of the old timers...

When I went to motocross school back in the early 80's, Motocross Des Nations champion Tony Distefano taught us not to use the clutch when downshifting... although I dont think I'd try it on the street.

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For me the clutch is used for coming out neutral and for downshifting . Unless its a nice easy ride it wll get used ont he street

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Downshifting without a clutch is actually smoother than you might think. Just know what your bike does at certain rpm's.

I never clutchless shift, not really trying to shave tenths of seconds off getting to work, but I try to always preload when shifting & have always gotten smoother results

I place a bit of pressure on the shift lever
then engage the clutch
complete the shift
the disengage the clutch
you don't get the harsh "clunk" into the next gear
just a nice "snick" or nothing at all

I don't know the mechanics behind it, but it works
sum'n bout the transmission gearbox dogs & cogs
any1 know?

I like the no handed on the handlebar clutchless shifting while pressing my throttle rocker leaning back going straight at about 40mph.

Sweet

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At least when you crash doing that you don't have to worry about replacing any side fairings on yo bike

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Sweet Sassy Malassy!

dunno if it was mentioned before, but it's actually called speed shifting.
The best way to do it is grab a handfull of throttle, and apply slight pressure. Since most bikes since the mid 90's have synced trannies, you don't have too much to worry about other than bending a dog bone. Once you have reached redline (assuming your limiter works, once you hit the limiter the pressure on your foot will relax and pop the gear into the next one.


Have fun!

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i like to bend over and use my tongue to shift

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As a matter of fact I was using that method today on my way to work. Perfectly safe as long as you dont have to turn.

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At least if you did fall off you were headed to the hospital anyways

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