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Old June 16th @ 08:46 pm   #11
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From: A Space between a blink and a tear

Motorcycle: 06' CBR1000RR
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Originally Posted by vegasvideo View Post
You are FAR more likely to go down on a bike that you cannot control than on a 250. You should know that. Plus when you go down on a 10 it is usually at a higher speed and is on a heavier bike.

Flame job here...100% justified!
Agreed.

 
 
Old June 16th @ 08:51 pm   #12
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From: lake mead pkwy.& boulder hwy.

Motorcycle: 07 suzuki sv650s
with her going down it really dont matter if she was on a litter bike or a 750 or even a 6 the way it was described in the post she was going to fast in a blind corner.. what im saying is she most likely would of did the same thang on a smaller bike. JUST MY 2cents
 
 
Old June 16th @ 09:19 pm   #13
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From: Las Vegas

Motorcycle: 06 1000 rr bone stock 01 F4I
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with her going down it really dont matter if she was on a litter bike or a 750 or even a 6 the way it was described in the post she was going to fast in a blind corner.. what im saying is she most likely would of did the same thang on a smaller bike. JUST MY 2cents
let me get on my monday night quarterback chair



I'm with last minute... it sounds like a judgement error and inexperience crash..... I have only spoken to her a couple of times..she seemed to wanted to appear confident in her riding abilities. The one time I rode thru red rock with her I felt I should have spoken to her after words and give her some advise. May be ride thru again giving her some easy lines to follow, I didnt.

But it seems like she was riding to fast for conditions and not thinking about traffic in the corner. If it would have been me and I had my head up my ass riding like that I would have probably crashed as well.

It is unfortunate that we did not take her under the SCS wing and give her a little guidance. Im not sure she would have been open to it but oh well, Im sure she has gained some experience from it now.
 
 
Old June 16th @ 09:38 pm   #14
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From: 92H8

Motorcycle: a turbocharged vacuum... i upgraded my broom...
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You are absolutely incorrect. When people make poor decisions and suffer the obvious consequences, you need to point out the failure in judgment. We are talking about peoples lives here. You can't worry about hurting their feelings. When you go down you will hurt a lot more than your feelings.

There is also a much higher probability that they will take someone else out at the same time. In situations like this you have to make the hard decision whether you want to help the person or just be an enabler.

I am not saying to yell at someone, that is not accepted well. But pointing out the obvious in order to try and save someone's life is always a better choice.
she wasnt going fast. she was doing under 35...

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And she would have probably fallen on a 600, a 250, or a 125 for that matter. Being on a liter bike is not was caused this accident. So to say "I warned her that a liter bike is too much" is like saying "The sky is blue", it doesn't even apply to the situation at hand.

So don't flame so much, unless it's lighting a hookah!

Instead why not just say "shouldn't have been going to fast around blind corners"
this is what im saying... she didnt crash because of the bike, she crashed because she was going to fast in a sharp corner, and too fast for driving conditions. the i told you so's about the bike are just salt and lime. she would have done the same thing on a bicycle, if she had been on one of them. it was all about not being able to stop. this just seems like a mean thread. ok, maybe she needed help before the crash with pointers etc. if she was helped out, and disregarded the pointers, i told you so will be met with eff off. you all know how people are.

pk rides a cruiser. if he goes down in a steep sharp turn, are you going to be all "i knew you shouldnt ride that bike that way!" ?

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Old June 16th @ 09:38 pm   #15
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From: A Space between a blink and a tear

Motorcycle: 06' CBR1000RR
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It is unfortunate that we did not take her under the SCS wing and give her a little guidance. Im not sure she would have been open to it but oh well, Im sure she has gained some experience from it now.
WOW! Well said, that should have been the first thing out of anyone's mouth!
 
 
Old June 16th @ 10:02 pm   #16
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From: Las Vegas

Motorcycle: 99 Black Bird CBR1100XX
I tried to take her under my wing and bring her into the fold. She wasn't having it, she wanted to ride with the fast crowd etc.....

That is why I am upset, kind of the same thing as Gia.

I have to disagree with the same outcome on any bike. Those that have been around her have seen her almost loose it in a parking lot. The bike is to big for her standing still and moving it around. That was my point to her. My father said I would make a great parent because of my protective nature and my desire to help people, but he also told me that I have a problem with wanting to save the world. I try to temper this, and I needed to flame on this because I felt bad that she made a decision that could hurt her. Her purchase came on the heels of a girl that we had worked with on a Gixxer 6 who almost got killed in Cali, and she was doing really well with her bike. Jen has been riding with the stunt crowd and pushing it continuously and I couldn't preach to her anymore without loosing her.

I am not rubbing anything in, I posted this in the members section so that I could discuss this with my family. Because I can't talk to my dad and I am feeling really bad about the fact that this happened. I don't like to see or hear about people getting hurt like this.
 
 
Old June 16th @ 10:08 pm   #17
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From: Las Vegas, NV

Motorcycle: GSXR-750
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Originally Posted by Spooby View Post
WOW! Well said, that should have been the first thing out of anyone's mouth!
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Originally Posted by Lost Sheep View Post

It is unfortunate that we did not take her under the SCS wing and give her a little guidance. Im not sure she would have been open to it but oh well, Im sure she has gained some experience from it now.
Ok. let me be the first to say this right now and get it out of the way.

Stacy your idea is great. But flawed.

We talked about this once at an officers meeting.

This was my outlook on it....

But what if we did that to every single person we saw get a new bike. Or any bike for that matter. Or anyone that we thought needed to be placed under our wing?

This club would be full of noobs. And us, more experienced riders we would be doing more babysitting instead of riding with said group. This is not a babysitting club, or a place for you to come to get taught how to ride. No, we are a club. A family that rides together. Not a pack of instructors.

We do not have the right to get into peoples face and point out the obvious after they have crashed. Not only is that disrespectful, but think about it. Would you want a club full of people coming up to you and saying, damn, you did this wrong, here is what you could have done better... No. that is not right.

We support MARS and anyone who does know about us, knows how we ride, and what we preach. Almost everyone of us mention what our club is about when we talk to new riders. It is their choice to want to become educated or not.. I am all for being proactive and letting people know what could happen, what will happen. HELPING crashers on how to better handle a specific situation. Which we would only do if they brought it to our attention. We wouldnt sit there with said individual and just bring it up. Mr Pheer for example. We arent going to walk up to him and out of the blue and say hey, you could have done this. or this. No. You need to let them want to talk about it. Then you work your way in...we seem almost pushy if we start telling people how to ride. And we have no right to do that.


We can only hope for the best for a person who crashes like this. And hope that they learn from it. Be supportive, visit her in the hospital. But do not lecture her on how to ride. Or what to ride. If she says man, i dont know what went wrong, etc. Then start throwing your ideas out. Letting her know what YOU think she should have done. Etc, a cry for help is pretty obvious at times.

We cannot make everyone's problems/crashes ours. We can only help, and be there for them. That would show the person that this club is more interested about her safety and well being more then giving her a verbal lesson.

my 2 cents..

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Old June 16th @ 10:12 pm   #18
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From: Las Vegas/Summerlin

Motorcycle: 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa LE/2007 Suzuki GSXR600/2000 Honda CBR600F4
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WOW! Well said, that should have been the first thing out of anyone's mouth!
She has been approached by a few SCS members that I know of. We set up her suspension at a MARS event a while back within a few days after she bought the 10. I've personally spoken to her about the inherent risks of riding a literbike.

But I somewhat agree with Andrea in the sense that the fact that she was riding a literbike may not have caused her accident. BUT, Pat brings up a great point as well... a smaller displacement bike allows a newer rider to concentrate on things other than throttle control and is much easier to control. None of us know exactly what the cause of her get-off was, so at this point I'd rather just wish her a speedy recovery. (last she texted me was that she's getting pins in her hand)
 
 
Old June 16th @ 10:38 pm   #19
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From: A Space between a blink and a tear

Motorcycle: 06' CBR1000RR
Yup surgery tonight/tomorrow morning. Right hand, and she's right handed!!! Oh man! I feel bad texting her, since it's a pain to do with your weak hand
 
 
Old June 16th @ 10:43 pm   #20
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From: Las Vegas, NV

Motorcycle: GSXR-750
been there done that. the worst is when you have to wipe your ass with the opposite hand =(
 
 

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