and it is announced right after an event with free track school was held in our back yard.

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I just have to say I'll NEVER try to ride with these guys again.

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This is pretty upsetting. I (we) have missed Fastrack's Chuckwalla and Auto Club events while holding out for the Streets of Willow days. I imagine we are all in the same situation where we can't do track days every weekend because of the cost of admission, tires, maintenance, and work-related restrictions. I guess the $45 dollar track day was too good to be true. Live and learn.
We missed the LVMS and the next one locally is in October.
Chuckwalla is happening on May 15/16. The track prices are back up to the "real" price - $175. New track in So-Cal.. I'm seriously considering it.

Anyone else?

Anybody else?

...and for those first-timers in the group - Fastrack makes the sign up process extremely easy. There's no club ID involved, the website is easy and communication is top-notch. Just FYI.

Fuck it! I'm riding with SoCal Trackdays on 5/2. Cost is $195 no sessions, but this is NOT a beginner day. Camping is $25 a night at the track. I'm heading down Saturday night.

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I'm glad that I hadn't reserved a room yet. I had a feeling this would happen again.

Chill out people!

Perhaps it was something beyond their control?


I'm looking at options for us to reschedule this...

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Fool me once.... But twice in a row? And then to cancel the rest of the year? Like Patrick said, "If it sounds to good to be true".

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I may consider this. I'm extremely disappointed in this situation and I would have jumped on the TrackXperience trackday this past weekend if I knew the cancellation of ALL of the SOW dates was a possibility.

Hell, I would have even considered doing the Motoyard trackday at SOW which is being held TODAY!

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No... it's not down the tubes. We will get you out to a trackday regardless of this minor setback.

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Just FWI Willow Springs cancelled the dates on tracktactics. Their official reason was because they cancelled last months event. It's a pretty BS reason since all the trackday organizations do the same thing on occasion. They also cancel due to low signups.

The reality is, a bunch of the other organizations got together and made this happen. They universally disliked what Tracktactics was doing and charging and have done everything in their power to see them fail. There is a lot of petty, unprofessional BS going on with these other guys right now.

All I can say is this...there are several CA based trackday organizations that will never see any of my money or support again. They really through Tracktactics under the bus.

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Very very disappointing =(

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Alright alright.... Cooling down now.
I should know better because I am in customer service. The track day cancelled - as a customer I would like to know why. When I wrote the above comment about too good to be true it was a summary of the fact that you do get what you pay for. Believe me, I fully appreciate the $45 track day, but that IS $100 less than all of the other ones.


Selfishly, I'm pissed about missing the other track days. Maybe it is because I can't afford to sign up for every one that comes along. Maybe it is because I would rather ride with you all in a group than by myself at a random track. I'm fairly sure all 8 or 10 of us will not be able to swing Chuckwalla or Auto Club at 2 bills a pop, plus a hotel. These last two months I had access to an apartment down there (no hotel needed for 4-6 people) but that's no longer an option. I'm upset about missing those opportunities.

The rain cancellation: Other track organizers ride in the rain and have said they were some of the safest track days they have had. I personally was looking forward to a rainy track experience - where else can you ride in the rain w/o traffic, oil spots and all of the other hazards on public roads? And I would venture to guess that the information gained by a rainy track day is AT LEAST equal to that of a dry day. Tracktactics cancelled that due to safety, and even if I don't agree with that, I will still respect it.

I am hoping for an explanation from TrackTactics (I just read Pat's post) on the details. More than that I would just like to move on to the next track day - summer's here and there aren't too many opportunities left for us all to get together. I'm bummed for Kelly, Sheila, Arson...all of the riders who got all geared up for this specific event and of course for Pat because he put so much work in to planning the video aspect of this. I have heard that TrackTactics is working on securing another track event soon and I am interested to see when and where. I will put in my vote for LVMS.

I'll probably post more but I'm at work and I'm distracted.

Why would Willow cxl the track day if the RIDERS are getting the discount? Let's assume the OTHER organizations pull out of their scheduled Willow events in protest.... Doesn't that open up all of those days for TrackTactics to now offer to a HUGE population of riders who would appreciate a $50 track day?

If Willow is charging TT the same rental fee for the track as all of the others, why should they care who's renting it - or how much profit the organization is making?

As a consumer, they've let me down twice now. I won't be giving them a 3rd chance. It's still a business, and they're not doing a very good job with it.

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It's simple economics. Lose $20k in business to keep $200k in business. Tracktactics would not have come in and taken those other dates. The track would have to find other organizations to come in and take those dates. Not easy.

You stated dissapointment at them cancelling Aprils date because of weather. Eventhough you and I and a few other peeps are ok with rain, new riders are not. Not to mention the forcast was for 30 to 40 mph winds with 50 mph gusts. Rain I can deal with. 50mph winds blowing me around, not so much.

Remember Tracktactics is a non-profit trackday organization who's focus is on NEW track riders. Their entire purpose is to get riders out of the canyons an into a safer more controlled envirnment. They did this but subsidizing the cost of the trackdays, therefore taking away the major reason for not doing them...price!

If you guys are pissed at Tracktactics right now and pledging never to ride with them, then you are doing exactly what these other TD organizers want. What those narrow minded haters don't realize is that many of the people who are now not riding with TT won't be riding with them either. Why...cost. These new riders haven't experienced the thrill which is a track day and may very likely give up at this point.

Before you take out your frustration on TT remember who really caused this. Remember who threw this organization under the bus and wants to see it's ultimate demise. It's not TT you should be mad at.

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Enlighten me then. Who should I be directing my frustration toward?

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If TT didn't foresee that other organizations might be dicks about being undercut by TT, they have no one to blame but themselves. Business is business.

Just found out this was cancelled this morning :-( So freakin' bummed!! I think I will wait for an event at LVMS. It's close, even though pricey, takes less planning.

I am very disappointed the track days are canceled above everything else.. not to mention was really looking forward to a weekend with you guys!!!!



As far as forking down the money for the track gear and what not and looking at it as a waste... is the wrong thing to do!

This is the gear I should have bought day one when i picked up my bike. Now, I have the gear needed to do ANY kind of riding that is thrown at me and to me, that is priceless in itself. I am no longer "unprepared" for anything that comes at me.. maybe some snow, but we will work on that soon enough..

Street riding, spirited riding, track riding, canyon riding, rain riding, summer riding... I am ready!!!

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As coarse as this sounds, I'd have to agree.

On another note, will TT be hosting any trackdays at other venues?

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Not completely buying it.
If the other track orgs actually follow through on their (alleged) threat, they stand to lose money and loyalty. If I ran a business that charged $200 per person, and then cancelled because Slejor sold the same product for 1/4 price, all of my customers would
1. be really upset at me for cancelling and
2. be really upset at me for charging me so much and then they would go buy from Slejor.

It might not happen overnight but with the popularity of bikes in SoCal and the west, and an increased interest in track days, word would spread fast.

Also - not fully blaming TT but would still like to hear an official explanation and a solution. I agree they have a good philosophy and I would support their events, although that will be difficult because they wrote in the email that they will not host any events for the rest of 2010.

I'm glad they cancelled April 12th, as a new rider I would have been very uncomfortable (more nervous than I already was).

I can understand that things happen. I'm very disappointed that this trackday was cancelled. But at the end of the day, there's nothing we can do about it.

I'm really hoping that we can get everyone together again for a beginner trackday sometime in the near future.

How about the douchebags that are doing everything in their power to insure you can get on the track unless you pay their rate. The people who got together as a group and strong armed this event out of existance.

Don't you think TT wanted these events to happen. Do you think the founders of the organization would have dumped thousands of dollars of their own money just to give up? Come on!

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Such as? That still really doesn't tell me anything. There are 1000's of douche bags in the world.

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Not buying huh? Yet you buy that WSIR would cancel their remaining 10 events because they cancelled the last event due to weather. Btw, they have a cancelation policy. Cancel an event, lose you retainer. Cancel it close enough to the date and you owe the entire amount. Very simple policy. Nothing about losing future dates if you cancel.

Why would Willow do that? Why would they throw away $20k ? They did it because they had 10X that amount threatening to walk. Instead of doing the right thing and calling their bluff they folded.

Remember, these other guys have long term relationships with the track. TT is the new guy. Much easier to throw them under the bus then try to replace half you schedule. WSIR realizes that there are enough tracks in the area for them to do this and keep their schedule. All they would have to say is we are moving our dates to another track. Not so tuff to do.

Not to be redundant but TT is a non-profit organization. They are not a for profit business. Everyone involved are volunteers, not paid. They are doing this for us, not for the money.

I know the people who run this organization very well. I guess that is why I take such offence to the shit being thrown at them. They are all solid people who are trying to do good for the riding community. Just like MARS! There is an old saying "no good deed goes unpunished". How does it feel to be part of their punishment?

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Sounds like you have a vested interest...

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It's capitalism. The other kids don't have to play fair.

I'd just like an official explanation from TrackTactics about what's going on.

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Nope. I want to see them succeed because they have the same core values as me, as SCS and MARS. They are tired of seeing friends die and want to do something about it. They want to be part of the solution.

Too bad they inconvienced you though. Shame on them right?

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Yep. Huge inconvience. Still a business that didn't make good.

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Not buying either story. The WSIR story sounds like a contractual agreement, of which I do not have access to read.

The other "real" story sounds like a huge legal misstep on the part of WSIR, for which they could be held liable.

And... (and nobody take offense to this because it includes all of us who have been on a track)...unless someone can furnish an accurate list of the douchebag organizations that muscled TT out, we have all contributed to and fully enjoyed the events that those douchebags provided.

Wow where do these ideas of yours Pat?
Let me ask, did you call WSIR and that's what they've told you?!?!
All the Trackday ogranizers at Willow Springs got together and brain stormed this idea to pull our trackdays out or cancel TrackTactics events... GTFO


Now your really reaching for straws Pat

TrackXperience being a long time trackday organizer at WSIR...
What's just one more organization doing trackdays at WSIR?
There are plenty of other tracks all over the place.

Pat you said your not connected to Tracktactics???... But aren't you doing videos for them?

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This gets me thinking...

From the Tracktactics website...

Affiliates
The following companies support TrackTactics and work hard for your business. Please take a look at their websites for events and merchandise.

Cycle Sports TV Cycle Sports TV is features information that will make you a better and more informed rider. This includes advanced riding techniques from the worlds best instructors, Suspension questions and how to improve it and more.

That's some avatar you have there Pat...

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Wrong again "beatdown" boy! Once again guilt and denial spew from your keyboard. They linked one of the videos I produced at the Long Beach IMS show. I was producing a segment for the show about first time track riders and their experience at a trackday. Those segments were to be filmed at a TT event. I will now have to re-schedule those shoots because of what happened. No big deal. I'll find another organizer to work with.

Jay, I understand were your loyalties lie. You've been with TX for a long time and will do anything to protect them. You will note that I never specifically named any trackday organizations at any point. Why jump in to protect TX? I never mentioned TX. Hmmmmm. Does that help or hurt you?

Trackday organizations need to be working harder to reach out to the public and create new riders. They need to be giving back to the communities that have supported them. They need to do away with status quo and do it better. Do you feel you've accomplished that?

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Does help or hurt me... maybe for you it hurts me... for myself, No it doesn't hurt me one bit. I think your ideas are way off.

You think Tracktactics ideas are new, but they are not. You think Tracktactics is the only people that wants people out of the canyons, but their not, You think Tracktactics staff are the only volunteers and don't get paid? they are not... everyone of us gives back to our communities that supports us... you can ask Marcus... ask yourself did we not give you & SCS discounts last year?... trust me I do know how Tracktactics works, it was explained to us fully by Brock...Though we can't throw down huge discounts that Tracttactics can afford to because of their huge donations that their sponsors give them, we do support our communities and you can't say we don't.

I'm not jumping to protect TX from you, because your way off base, and YOU more or less did name TX, because TX IS a long time Organizer at WSIR which you claim these long term relationship guys are throwing them under the bus... is like pointing a finger at us. show some proof Mr. I'm not connected put up your evidence...

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I'm pretty sure every trackday organizer advocates getting people off the streets to get their speed fix. Just check their websites.

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And you know what's more... I think they're stealing everyone elses ideas...

We had a school for new riders long before they came on the scene!

They been to our trackdays... they've been to a lot of trackdays...

and I believe Ian was saying Matthias came from PTT which Todd Robinson used to be the owner of... Matthias was also with Fastrack riders... so both of those have new riders schools...

come up with something original sheesh

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I totally agree!!

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Guys, let's keep this discussion constructive. These vague accusations and conspiracy theories need to be held to a minimum. I too would like to hear the official explanation regarding these unfortunate turn of events, but until then... chill.

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Just Kidding.

I will say that I got a crazy good hookup from Jay and TrackXperience. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have done my first - and so far only - track day without their help. And I don't think anyone of us that went that weekend could deny that they had a good beginner program set up.

I'm pretty sure most (if not all) track day organizations are focused on getting riders off the street and onto the track. I think we all want to know what really happened before jumping to far into conclusions. People are pissed on all sides. Let's just wait for TT's explanation.


Damn... is this the fastest moving thread in the history of SCS?

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