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Old 06-17-2010, 07:25 PM   #1
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:31 PM   #2
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:03 PM   #3
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Holy sensationalistic video title!!!

Fox "News"... riiight.

Here's some clarification of this "report".

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=167941
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:08 PM   #4
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Hey maybe we should give airports to the terrorists and ban the citizens from using them. That way we can be safe and the terrorists can blow shit up, free from us bad Americans infringing on their religious rights to blow shit up like Allah told them. Hey, this thinking like a Harvard ejumicated idiot is kinda fun.
 
 
Old 06-18-2010, 01:15 PM   #5
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As a Former MEAN GREEN BORDER PATROL I can vouch that there is areas of the border that is way out of control and that it is worse than the wild west......





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Old 06-18-2010, 01:26 PM   #6
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Who the hell is that skinny mofo???

And I've heard about those crazy border areas for years. That's where Bill Jordan honed his six-shooter skills.
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Old 06-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #7
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Holy sensationalistic video title!!!

Fox "News"... riiight.

Here's some clarification of this "report".

Fact check! Arizona <I>still</I> in American hands ? for now
Hey... there's no place for reason (or fact checking) on the internet.
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:06 PM   #8
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Hey... there's no place for reason (or fact checking) on the internet.
That's an interesting response that seems to lack reason. Do you think that anyone that watched that story has no ability to reason and actually believes that the goobermint has given official title and deed of the area in question to the Mexican goobermint.

Could it be that is what Fox is trying to make people believe? Or could it be the usual media salemanship, that all media outlets do. I believe that most folks can see through that crap and find the moral of the story. Which is that the goobermint is allowing illegal activity and violence to occur in our country and their response is to put up signs warning citizens to avoid this area.

Maybe we motorcycle riders could use this example for our own benefit by sending a couple hundred riders out to Redrock everyday,overwhelming law enforcement and using it as our own personal racetrack. Maybe the goobermint will just put up signs warning tourists, joggers and bicyclists to stay away because of dangerous, outlaw motorcyclists in the area.

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Old 06-19-2010, 07:22 PM   #9
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... I believe that most folks can see through that crap and find the moral of the story. Which is that the goobermint is allowing illegal activity and violence to occur in our country and their response is to put up signs warning citizens to avoid this area.

Maybe we motorcycle riders could use this example for our own benefit by sending a couple hundred riders out to Redrock everyday,overwhelming law enforcement and using it as our own personal racetrack. Maybe the goobermint will just put up signs warning tourists, joggers and bicyclists to stay away because of dangerous, outlaw motorcyclists in the area.
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Thanks for seeing my point...
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:28 AM   #10
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That's an interesting response that seems to lack reason. Do you think that anyone that watched that story has no ability to reason and actually believes that the goobermint has given official title and deed of the area in question to the Mexican goobermint.

Could it be that is what Fox is trying to make people believe? Or could it be the usual media salemanship, that all media outlets do. I believe that most folks can see through that crap and find the moral of the story. Which is that the goobermint is allowing illegal activity and violence to occur in our country and their response is to put up signs warning citizens to avoid this area.

Maybe we motorcycle riders could use this example for our own benefit by sending a couple hundred riders out to Redrock everyday,overwhelming law enforcement and using it as our own personal racetrack. Maybe the goobermint will just put up signs warning tourists, joggers and bicyclists to stay away because of dangerous, outlaw motorcyclists in the area.

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No... it is the misleading and flat-out ridiculous title of the video which was aired on a supposed "news" channel that lacks reason.

This area, which covers millions of acres (including the 3,500 of the refuge area), has been a hotbed of illegal smuggling activity for years. And the signs have not been the only response to the issue... 1,200 National Guard troops were recently slated to help counter drug trafficking on the border. I see nothing wrong with warning people venturing in a potentially dangerous area... especially when working with limited resources.
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:10 AM   #11
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No... it is the misleading and flat-out ridiculous title of the video which was aired on a supposed "news" channel that lacks reason.

This area, which covers millions of acres (including the 3,500 of the refuge area), has been a hotbed of illegal smuggling activity for years. And the signs have not been the only response to the issue... 1,200 National Guard troops were recently slated to help counter drug trafficking on the border. I see nothing wrong with warning people venturing in a potentially dangerous area... especially when working with limited resources.
Is it only Fox that bothers you? How about these supposed news channels, including the granddaddy of 24 hr. news.
Sensational News Stories!

How about these:
CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN'
CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN' | NewsBusters.org



or is it acceptable if it suits your idealogy.

Now about those 1200 Nationalguard troops,this quote is from your link for real news.
Fact check! Arizona <I>still</I> in American hands ? for now

"Our children are living in fear, but the Obama White House is living in denial," said Sen. John Cornyn. "The president must make border security a priority, not an afterthought or an empty talking point."



However, the State Department announced the National Guard troops will not be used to stop illegal immigration.

What are they going to be doing? Picking up trash? I've heard the support role B.S. and know its B.S. since I've been in the military at war as have you and know that 1200 troops can not possibly cover millions of acres even if they were taking a direct role which they are not.

When are you going to put down the kool-aid and realize that our current president is as full of crap as our past presidents were.
 
 
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Is it only Fox that bothers you? How about these supposed news channels, including the granddaddy of 24 hr. news.
Sensational News Stories!

How about these:
CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN'
CNN Correspondent Claims Tea Parties 'Anti-Government,' 'Anti-CNN' | NewsBusters.org



or is it acceptable if it suits your idealogy.

Now about those 1200 Nationalguard troops,this quote is from your link for real news.
Fact check! Arizona <I>still</I> in American hands ? for now

"Our children are living in fear, but the Obama White House is living in denial," said Sen. John Cornyn. "The president must make border security a priority, not an afterthought or an empty talking point."



However, the State Department announced the National Guard troops will not be used to stop illegal immigration.

What are they going to be doing? Picking up trash? I've heard the support role B.S. and know its B.S. since I've been in the military at war as have you and know that 1200 troops can not possibly cover millions of acres even if they were taking a direct role which they are not.

When are you going to put down the kool-aid and realize that our current president is as full of crap as our past presidents were.
I've neither posted up nor co-signed on any of the sensationalistic news stories. I also do not use any of the MSM as a political barometer. Did you post up the CNN story to disprove my original statement... because it doesn't. Bottom line, you can find inflammatory "news" stories from many sources, but this stuff is Fox's bread and butter.

Of course I understand that 1,200 troops cannot cover that territory. But... we have troops currently in two theaters and are kind of spread thin on resources. The mere fact that our government is currently willing to commit these personnel at this time is an acceptable start IMHO.

And I'm sure sometime in the near future, my President is going to wave his mighty hand and simultaneously fix the economy, send the illegals back to their native countries, pull the troops out of Iraq, and cure AIDS. *raises his tall glass of red, sugary Kool-Aid in tribute*

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Old 06-20-2010, 03:27 PM   #13
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I've neither posted up nor co-signed on any of the sensationalistic news stories. I also do not use any of the MSM as a political barometer. Did you post up the CNN story to disprove my original statement... because it doesn't. Bottom line, you can find inflammatory "news" stories from many sources, but this stuff is Fox's bread and butter.

Of course I understand that 1,200 troops cannot cover that territory. But... we have troops currently in two theaters and are kind of spread thin on resources. The mere fact that our government is currently willing to commit these personnel at this time is an acceptable start IMHO.

And I'm sure sometime in the near future, my President is going to wave his mighty hand and simultaneously fix the economy, send the illegals back to their native countries, pull the troops out of Iraq, and cure AIDS. *raises his tall glass of red, sugary Kool-Aid in tribute*

The 1200 troops won't even attempt to cover that territory as
your unsensationalist new sources said, so what are they doing, building chowhalls for the drug runners. They are for political purposes only to give the appearance of doing something. Maybe your president can send his 400,000 censusworkers to help out since we're stretched so thin and all.

Also I don't expect your president to do anything to fix even one problem, let alone all the problems in this country. He's just another emptied-headed politician with his own agenda. Just like many before him, he will continue screwing the country and wiping his butt with the Constitution. I hope or is it chope now, (hope and change, my ass) that you can hold your breath forever so you don't turn blue waiting for chope to take effect.
 
 
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Interesting...I brought lunch just in case this goes into extra innings.
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As Hotsheet reported yesterday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a television interview in Ecuador this month that the Obama Justice Department "will be bringing a lawsuit" against the controversial Arizona immigration measure signed into law earlier this year.


The comment was striking because both President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder had said only that the administration was considering a suit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the law, called Clinton's comments stunning and added that "to learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous." She has said in the past she is prepared for a court fight.



It was unclear yesterday whether Clinton's comments were simply a prediction or mistake or whether instead she was getting ahead of a planned announcement by the administration.


Now a senior administration official tells CBS News that the federal government will indeed formally challenge the law when Justice Department lawyers are finished building the case. The official said Justice is still working on building the case.


What Do You Think?
Should the White House challenge Arizona's controversial immigration law in court?

Yes. The law is potentially discriminatory and the government has a responsibility to take the matter to the courts.
No. The federal government shouldn't go after a law meant to address a failure of the federal government to act.
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Contacted about Clinton's comments today, State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said they reflected her beliefs.


"The Secretary was asked about the Arizona law during a TV interview in Ecuador," he said. "She believes that a better approach is comprehensive immigration reform, and said so. Regarding how far along the legal review is, that is a matter for the Department of Justice."

Despite the senior administration official's comments, an official at the Justice Department told CBS News today that the question of whether to sue is still under consideration.


The Arizona law, which would go into effect in July, requires immigrants in the state to carry documents verifying their immigration status and requires police officers to question a person about his or her immigration status during a "lawful stop" if there is "reasonable suspicion" that person may be in the country illegally.

CBS News polling has found that a majority of Americans support the Arizona law, which has spawned protests and boycotts.

Brewer said following her meeting with Mr. Obama earlier this month that the president "brushed over" the possibility of a lawsuit during their discussion. A suit would likely focus on the notion that the legislation is discriminatory and infringes on civil liberties.

Senior Official: Obama Administration Will Challenge Arizona Immigration Law - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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As Hotsheet reported yesterday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a television interview in Ecuador this month that the Obama Justice Department "will be bringing a lawsuit" against the controversial Arizona immigration measure signed into law earlier this year.


The comment was striking because both President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder had said only that the administration was considering a suit. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the law, called Clinton's comments stunning and added that "to learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous." She has said in the past she is prepared for a court fight.



It was unclear yesterday whether Clinton's comments were simply a prediction or mistake or whether instead she was getting ahead of a planned announcement by the administration.


Now a senior administration official tells CBS News that the federal government will indeed formally challenge the law when Justice Department lawyers are finished building the case. The official said Justice is still working on building the case.


What Do You Think?
Should the White House challenge Arizona's controversial immigration law in court?

Yes. The law is potentially discriminatory and the government has a responsibility to take the matter to the courts.
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Contacted about Clinton's comments today, State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said they reflected her beliefs.


"The Secretary was asked about the Arizona law during a TV interview in Ecuador," he said. "She believes that a better approach is comprehensive immigration reform, and said so. Regarding how far along the legal review is, that is a matter for the Department of Justice."

Despite the senior administration official's comments, an official at the Justice Department told CBS News today that the question of whether to sue is still under consideration.


The Arizona law, which would go into effect in July, requires immigrants in the state to carry documents verifying their immigration status and requires police officers to question a person about his or her immigration status during a "lawful stop" if there is "reasonable suspicion" that person may be in the country illegally.

CBS News polling has found that a majority of Americans support the Arizona law, which has spawned protests and boycotts.

Brewer said following her meeting with Mr. Obama earlier this month that the president "brushed over" the possibility of a lawsuit during their discussion. A suit would likely focus on the notion that the legislation is discriminatory and infringes on civil liberties.

Senior Official: Obama Administration Will Challenge Arizona Immigration Law - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
I wonder if they've read the law yet. It seems to me, that would be a fine example of the use of reason and fact checking that his supporters are always clammering for. Too bad this President, his admin., and die hard supporters rarely use either.
 
 
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I sence a road trip to Arizona. Battery powered police sirens with small solar panels to recharge them... Triggered by a motion sensor that also starts a camera recording. I smell a new reality show. You play all of the footage of the banditos running of at high speed to the Benny Hill theme music!
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Hmm, I dont remember seeing you in Super Troopers...
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Hmm, I dont remember seeing you in Super Troopers...

Who wants a mustache ride? Oh wait...

We just need to give him some aviators...
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Who wants a mustache ride? Oh wait...

We just need to give him some aviators...
Believe it or not but Aviators were standard for the BP at the time.....

I cant believe it...... someone who does not even believe in the immigration enforcement gets a key role in the White House

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-key-role-ice/
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Old 06-25-2010, 04:04 PM   #21
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Believe it or not but Aviators were standard for the BP at the time.....

I cant believe it...... someone who does not even believe in the immigration enforcement gets a key role in the White House

FOXNews.com - White House Picks Critic of Local Immigration Enforcement for Key Role at ICE
Can't be true since you got the story from Fox. Ya know they're are just a bunch of teabagging rednecks, right? This country is so screwed, Republicans sell the country while the Dems give it away.
 
 
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But as a police chief, Hurtt was a supporter of "sanctuary city" policies, by which illegal immigrants who don't commit crimes can live without fear of exposure or detainment because police don't check for immigration papers.

I'm sorry, please explain to me how to be "an illegal immigrant who doesn't commit crimes..."

Isn't being an illegal immigrant a crime to begin with???

IMHO he's just another effin' tard.
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