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Old 06-21-2012, 10:21 PM   #1
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Dont know the story, just posting the vid...

 
 
 
Old 06-21-2012, 11:16 PM   #2
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Wow... dumbass didn't even turn the camera off before he slammed his ass into the hood of the car.
 
 
Old 06-22-2012, 07:33 AM   #3
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Unreal! I would have been pissed!
 
 
Old 06-22-2012, 11:50 AM   #4
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It helps to watch the dashcam video that's linked at 3:46 for another perspective.
 
 
Old 06-22-2012, 04:23 PM   #5
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It helps to watch the dashcam video that's linked at 3:46 for another perspective.
And what perspective is that?
The "I cant catch the guy that was harassing me so let me pull over and arrest the innocent law abiding citizen" perspective?
 
 
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It helps to watch the dashcam video that's linked at 3:46 for another perspective.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:14 PM   #7
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #8
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Unreal! I would have been pissed!
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And what perspective is that?
The "I cant catch the guy that was harassing me so let me pull over and arrest the innocent law abiding citizen" perspective?
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It helps to watch the dashcam video that's linked at 3:46 for another perspective.
Theres always 2 sides to every story.
 
 
Old 06-24-2012, 07:15 AM   #9
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Without question that assmunch should have been arrested for reckless riding/driving, by looking at the second/linked video camera from the police car dash cam.

Like Jet said, there are always 2 sides to every story. It's nice to have your little GoPro on your helmet, but if you cut off 3/4 of the footage and only show the part of you getting arrested and acting like a little angel, then you're much bigger of an ass than supposedly some officer arresting you.

I admittedly thought it was strange for the officer to arrest him for having an obstructed plate, but I don't live in TX, so maybe that's the actual law there. If that was the law here in NV, there would be A LOT of bikers in jail, I can tell you that much. Now, if he would have arrested him for reckless driving, it would have made PERFECT sense, watching the second video.

People like that give all of us on sportbikes a very shitty image and that just pisses me off to high heaven!!!!
 
 
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Without question that assmunch should have been arrested for reckless riding/driving, by looking at the second/linked video camera from the police car dash cam.

Like Jet said, there are always 2 sides to every story. It's nice to have your little GoPro on your helmet, but if you cut off 3/4 of the footage and only show the part of you getting arrested and acting like a little angel, then you're much bigger of an ass than supposedly some officer arresting you.

I admittedly thought it was strange for the officer to arrest him for having an obstructed plate, but I don't live in TX, so maybe that's the actual law there. If that was the law here in NV, there would be A LOT of bikers in jail, I can tell you that much. Now, if he would have arrested him for reckless driving, it would have made PERFECT sense, watching the second video.

People like that give all of us on sportbikes a very shitty image and that just pisses me off to high heaven!!!!
Wow you completely missed the point.
Are you saying that if one guy in Las Vegas is obstructing the police then its ok for them to arrest you?
Yo do realize that the guy obstructing and the guy arrested are two different people.
You do realize that the guy arrested wasnt even riding with the guys that were misbehaving.
He was just riding along and they all came and rode past him...
I am shocked that you think that its ok to get arrested because someone else was behaving badly. lmao you must be a cop... wait... you must be the same cop in that vid...
 
 
Old 06-24-2012, 08:56 AM   #11
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Wow you completely missed the point.
Are you saying that if one guy in Las Vegas is obstructing the police then its ok for them to arrest you?
Yo do realize that the guy obstructing and the guy arrested are two different people.
You do realize that the guy arrested wasnt even riding with the guys that were misbehaving.
He was just riding along and they all came and rode past him...
I am shocked that you think that its ok to get arrested because someone else was behaving badly. lmao you must be a cop... wait... you must be the same cop in that vid...
How do you know that he wasn't riding like an ass? That part of the video wasn't shown. The officers were actually doing good police work in comphiscating the dude's go-pro in an attempt to identify whomever else was acting like a douche. Like Demon said, this asshat gives all other riders a bad name. I'm in complete agreement. Like it or not the officers can arrest or detain anyone for any stupid little reason. The guy was probably released and charges dropped a few hours later if indeed he was innocent.

I'm really surprised at how people think officers are such a**holes for just doing the job they are sworn to do. No, I'm not a cop nor do I want to be. They have a hard enough time keeping people safe so we can all sleep peacefully at night. And when I see ignorant comments like this about law enforcement, just remember they have a job to do just like everyone else.

Oh wait, you must have been one of those guys riding in the video...
 
 
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Wow you completely missed the point.
Are you saying that if one guy in Las Vegas is obstructing the police then its ok for them to arrest you?
Yo do realize that the guy obstructing and the guy arrested are two different people.
You do realize that the guy arrested wasnt even riding with the guys that were misbehaving.
He was just riding along and they all came and rode past him...
I am shocked that you think that its ok to get arrested because someone else was behaving badly. lmao you must be a cop... wait... you must be the same cop in that vid...
Yup, I completely missed the point. We were both NOT there, so you can't prove that he WASN'T riding with those people, just like I can't prove that he was riding with those other riders. However, I'm going to guess that he probably was riding with those others. Anyone can act on camera and act like they are totally innocent of the charges. It's not that difficult and I've seen it time and time again. By the way, you are semi-correct in only one statement, I am a former cop and have dealt with people doing crap, just as in the video, both in vehicles and on motorcycles. Nope, sorry, not the same cop in the vid though.

What I love is that you automatically believed that he was innocent and was just riding along and had nothing to do with any of the other people. That's not what I saw while watching that original video. Of course if one rider is obstructing the police than it's not okay to arrest any rider they want. I'm sure no one would agree to that. However, if someone is obstructing and resisting arrest (which he did in the video), then they do have the right to arrest him, which they did.

What I love is that you automatically assume every officer is bad and evil. That is just another form of discrimination. Same as saying every white, black or latino person is bad/evil. Nice. And we wonder why officers automatically have attitudes against us. People like you fuel the fire right off the bat for no reason what so ever. From all of us "good guys/girls", thank you for that.
 
 
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I think that anyone that believes that its ok to lie/break the law or harass/arrest an innocent individual because of the actions of another individual is an A'HOLE.

And where did I say that "every cop" is bad cop.
A bad cop is the one that preys on the innocent because they cant catch the guilty. Unfortunately for us law abiding citizens there are too many of these people wearing a LEO uniform. And thus people tend not to like LEOs because of how badly they can to treat citizens.
These are the ones that not only make the good cops look bad but their mentality can spreads and sometimes turns a good cop bad.

The cop in the arrest video makes all cops look bad and the kid in the dash cam video makes all sport bikers look bad. But that is no excuse to disrespect all LEOs and that is no excuse to go around harassing/arresting all sport-bikers.
And in MY Opinion anyone that believes that its ok to do so... is an A'HOLE!
 
 
Old 06-24-2012, 07:47 PM   #14
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:02 PM   #15
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Do you guys know the history behind this group and this ride?
 
 
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Do you guys know the history behind this group and this ride?
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:13 PM   #17
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I think that anyone that believes that its ok to lie/break the law or harass/arrest an innocent individual because of the actions of another individual is an A'HOLE.

And where did I say that "every cop" is bad cop.
A bad cop is the one that preys on the innocent because they cant catch the guilty. Unfortunately for us law abiding citizens there are too many of these people wearing a LEO uniform. And thus people tend not to like LEOs because of how badly they can to treat citizens.
These are the ones that not only make the good cops look bad but their mentality can spreads and sometimes turns a good cop bad.

The cop in the arrest video makes all cops look bad and the kid in the dash cam video makes all sport bikers look bad. But that is no excuse to disrespect all LEOs and that is no excuse to go around harassing/arresting all sport-bikers.
And in MY Opinion anyone that believes that its ok to do so... is an A'HOLE!
Bang! I agree that not all cops are bad but a few have given the occupation a bad name. And it seems to be that more and more are being found guilty of corruption/abuse of authority.

I was raised to respect officers and my dad was surprised that I was organizing the apps on my phone to video record police encounters. I let him know that cops nowadays are different, much different from the types of cops that were around when I was young. Recordings are the only way to protect yourself as a citizen as most likely, in court, the sworn officers word probably has more merit than the everyday Joe.
 
 
Old 06-25-2012, 08:38 AM   #18
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This is some BS. Unless for some strange reason an obstructed license plate requires detainment, he had no right to arrest the rider. This guy could be a total assclown, but that does not give LE the right to bypass the law. An obstructed/improperly mounted plate is a fix-it ticket at best. Everything that led up to the rider's arrest is irrelevant unless he is being charged for reckless/speeding/etc...
 
 
Old 06-25-2012, 10:23 AM   #19
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This is some BS. Unless for some strange reason an obstructed license plate requires detainment, he had no right to arrest the rider. This guy could be a total assclown, but that does not give LE the right to bypass the law. An obstructed/improperly mounted plate is a fix-it ticket at best. Everything that led up to the rider's arrest is irrelevant unless he is being charged for reckless/speeding/etc...
 
 
Old 06-25-2012, 05:22 PM   #20
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This is some BS. Unless for some strange reason an obstructed license plate requires detainment, he had no right to arrest the rider. This guy could be a total assclown, but that does not give LE the right to bypass the law. An obstructed/improperly mounted plate is a fix-it ticket at best. Everything that led up to the rider's arrest is irrelevant unless he is being charged for reckless/speeding/etc...
Well, things are a little different in Texas. If I remember correctly, in Texas, if they have a reason to pull you over, they can arrest you too. I read it in some of the YouTube comments. Therefore it must be true!
 
 
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Please enlighten us.
Let's just say, this group has a history of causing trouble...big trouble. Doesn't make the cop's actions right, but understandable. These guys are a bunch of sqiudly asshats. Sometimes you bring the heat down on yourself. These guys brought the fuel and the lighter.
 
 
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Let's just say, this group has a history of causing trouble...big trouble. Doesn't make the cop's actions right, but understandable. These guys are a bunch of sqiudly asshats. Sometimes you bring the heat down on yourself. These guys brought the fuel and the lighter.
"Doesn't make the cop's actions right, but understandable." understandable is getting this officer investigated Hopefully not fired but bumped down to metermaid.
 
 
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Looking at the 1st video, I say the officer acted within the law. If you think that obstructing your license plate in Nevada is not illegal and can't get you pulled over or arrested, you are wrong. The police officer may have had ulterior motives, but that is neither illegal or wrong in the world of law enforcement. News flash, the cops can and will lie to you and there is nothing you can do about it. At the same time, cops expect you to be honest with them.

I could write a book or lecture for hours about how not to get pulled over and/or arrested. Lesson #1, make sure your license plate is properly displayed and lighted. I wrote an article recently called, "Three easy steps to a less unpleasant traffic stop – How to get pulled over and survive." If you are interested, it is on my website in the articles section.

The second video, while putting the events of the day in perspective, does not seem to be linked to the first video. Maybe I missed something.
 
 
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Looking at the 1st video, I say the officer acted within the law. If you think that obstructing your license plate in Nevada is not illegal and can't get you pulled over or arrested, you are wrong. The police officer may have had ulterior motives, but that is neither illegal or wrong in the world of law enforcement. News flash, the cops can and will lie to you and there is nothing you can do about it. At the same time, cops expect you to be honest with them.

I could write a book or lecture for hours about how not to get pulled over and/or arrested. Lesson #1, make sure your license plate is properly displayed and lighted. I wrote an article recently called, "Three easy steps to a less unpleasant traffic stop – How to get pulled over and survive." If you are interested, it is on my website in the articles section.

The second video, while putting the events of the day in perspective, does not seem to be linked to the first video. Maybe I missed something.
Good stuff Joseph... and I'm going to link that article here:

Three easy steps to a less unpleasant traffic stop
 
 
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Skip to 3:10

This motorcyclist is facing 16 years in jail for having a gun waved in his face

 
 
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In case people don't realize, a citation MAY be issued IN LIEU of being arrested. But the officer does have the choice of just citing you or arresting you for minor infractions. This time he chose arrest, right or wrong.
 
 
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About the illegal video taping of cops, Metro settled a case a few months ago with a guy who was arrested and roughed up while in his own driveway as he taped officers arresting someone across the street. An officer ordered him to stop taping and he refused. They knocked him to the ground ON HIS OWN PROPERTY and arrested him. I don't remember the pay out but Metro settled and dropped the charges. Just a stupid officer over stepping his authority.
 
 
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Matt - I hate to tell you, but in that first clip, that officer did NOT wave that firearm in the rider's face. He drew his firearm out and then pointed it down and away from the rider. Now, could he have drawn it better and kept it closer to him upon drawing; most definitely. But did he "wave the gun in the face" of the rider. Uhhhh...no, he did not.

I also agree with Infidl - When you get a citation, it is the officer waiving his right at that time to take you to jail for that infraction. He is either giving you the chance for your "promise" to show up in court (depending on the infraction) or fining you for the infraction and, again, giving you the chance for your "promise" to pay for that fine and not have to go to court. However, either way he is waiving his right to take you to jail at that time. Everyone thinks that just because the infraction earns you a "citation" (or ticket as most call it) that it means you can't go to jail for it. Wrong answer folks. It's actually up to the discretion of the individual officer on whether you are getting a citation or going to jail over the infraction/offense that occurred. The court is the one who defines whether the arrest and/or citation was right or wrong and judges and sentences accordingly.
 
 
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Another thing - On the 2nd video, this "Carlos" guy states that the officer didn't identify himself when he exited the vehicle and that's crap. You can hear him on the first video (the rider's video) where he stated he is a state police officer. Unfortunately, the officer should have stated it as soon as he exited his vehicle, but he did identify himself.

So, it would be nice if these people get their facts straight before they go on TV as a spokesperson.

Also, as a side note, I think it's TOTAL CRAP that the rider is being charged on "wiretapping". I think there should be no problem with people using GoPros to videotape their rides and if that includes an officer stopping you, then so be it.

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Okay. You're riding. Some car pulls up right next to you and the guy jumps out with a gun.... Doesn't matter if it's waved or not, that's still uncalled for. The officer didn't identify himself as an officer as police until he was touching the motorcycle, after having yelled at the biker to get off his bike three times. Up until that point he was just a stranger with a gun telling him to get off his bike...
 
 
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This motorcyclist is facing 16 years in jail for having a gun waved in his face

This piece of shit cop should go to jail himself, there was no reason at all for him to fly up beside that bike and pull a gun period, cause the marked cop was right there so there was no need to hold the the guy till the on duty cop got there. I'm shure it was so he could show off. Cops these days audio and video record every move they make to protect themselves from frivalous accusation, y is it wrong for us to record them to protect ourselves from there actions.
 
 
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I'm not defending this motorcyclist, he's a dumb ass who was endangering the lives of others with his actions but his actions are what he was recording not that dumb ass cop, that dumb ass cop is the one who put himself in that video wanting to be some bad ass off duty vigilanty. Fuck'em put them both in jail.
 
 
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Okay. You're riding. Some car pulls up right next to you and the guy jumps out with a gun.... Doesn't matter if it's waved or not, that's still uncalled for. The officer didn't identify himself as an officer as police until he was touching the motorcycle, after having yelled at the biker to get off his bike three times. Up until that point he was just a stranger with a gun telling him to get off his bike...
I don't disagree with you there...but that's not what you wrote in your original post, so that's what I was commenting on.

I FULLY agree with you that the officer was wrong and should have identified himself AS he was EXITING his vehicle AS he was drawing his firearm. It appears to me that the rider didn't "turn on" the sound to his YouTube video until the officer got out of his vehicle. It is possible that it was an undercover car and the siren did go off as he pulled up to indicate it was an emergency vehicle. I don't know because I couldn't hear it. Plus, it's possible there were lights in the grille or on the dash that we couldn't see on his video as well, that indicated to the rider that it was an emergency vehicle. Then again, it's possible that there were no lights or siren.

However, either way, the officer SHOULD HAVE identified himself IMMEDIATELY upon exiting his vehicle. I fully agree with you on that. I would have been upset about that if I was the rider. Because you are right, he doesn't know initially if it's some psycho with a firearm trying to take his bike or if it's a law enforcement officer trying to effect a stop. The only thing I can think of is that the rider looked back in his mirrors and saw the marked unit behind him and figured the person in front of him was a undercover officer. However, that doesn't mean he shouldn't have identified himself.
 
 
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Fuck that shit, I would have hit the gas as soon as that guy got out of the car. No point in sticking around, it can only get worse from there...
 
 
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I don't disagree with you there...but that's not what you wrote in your original post, so that's what I was commenting on.

I FULLY agree with you that the officer was wrong and should have identified himself AS he was EXITING his vehicle AS he was drawing his firearm. It appears to me that the rider didn't "turn on" the sound to his YouTube video until the officer got out of his vehicle. It is possible that it was an undercover car and the siren did go off as he pulled up to indicate it was an emergency vehicle. I don't know because I couldn't hear it. Plus, it's possible there were lights in the grille or on the dash that we couldn't see on his video as well, that indicated to the rider that it was an emergency vehicle. Then again, it's possible that there were no lights or siren.

However, either way, the officer SHOULD HAVE identified himself IMMEDIATELY upon exiting his vehicle. I fully agree with you on that. I would have been upset about that if I was the rider. Because you are right, he doesn't know initially if it's some psycho with a firearm trying to take his bike or if it's a law enforcement officer trying to effect a stop. The only thing I can think of is that the rider looked back in his mirrors and saw the marked unit behind him and figured the person in front of him was a undercover officer. However, that doesn't mean he shouldn't have identified himself.
Don't care even if he had lights and sirens. I know a chicano down on MLK who sells red and blue lights. If I ever get lit up by a truly undercover cop (not the guys in the plane paint police cruisers) I'm just gonna keep going until a legitimate police car shows up.
 
 
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I think the real point is that the rider, regardless of his wrecklessness, shouldn't be facing charges for wiretapping. It is legal to video record in a public domain, i.e. an interstate roadway. This is very public. Wiretapping was intended for phone conversations where participating parties must be informed of a recording and must consent.
 
 
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I think the real point is that the rider, regardless of his wrecklessness, shouldn't be facing charges for wiretapping. It is legal to video record in a public domain, i.e. an interstate roadway. This is very public. Wiretapping was intended for phone conversations where participating parties must be informed of a recording and must consent.
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Yea, the wire tapping beef is BS. This is sort of thing just give the coppers bad reps.
 
 
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True, but remember, it will be thrown out before the rider even gets to court, most likely. What most people don't realize is that just because an officer charges you with a crime doesn't mean that you will be convicted/punished for it. There are lots of times that when the case goes up to the City Attorney or District Attorney's offices and they look it over, they dismiss some of the charges because they realize the charge/s doesn't/don't pertain to the case and/or are unlawful for the circumstances in which they were applied. So, it gets dropped even before the violator (in this case, the rider) even goes before the judge to be tried.

So, even though the rider was charged with wiretapping by the officer, it doesn't mean it will stick and/or even be seen by the court. Does that mean he should have been charged with it in the first place? Absolutely not; because it's a bogus charge and makes the officer and the rest of the police around the country look bad in this case, unfortunately.
 
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